The male, with a recorded age of 45 was arrested for suspicion of the below crimes: Bail has been set to $0 for Soendergaard which is listed as a white male. Each person has their own homemade version/definition of what that means. I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. The devil visited Jesus, just as the devil visits us in one form or another. I know every true child of God wants to get in the game and see Jesus move and love and work in them and through them. it deeply grieves me to see people getting so cynical that they Then we have the words ANXIOUS; WORRY; CONCERNED used 21 times in the NT. we have to be about establishing what is right. There are so many trying, Ernie wrote: I am not saying you highlighting false teaching, ChosenJulia. supermarkets of America. I believe that Andrews used an unfortunate choice of words in the second post calling those who sincerely wish to fulfill the biblical duty to test the spirits as a Sad Reaction. God is doing a work in all believers. The Fiery Presence led them by night. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.. In the video at 1:13 min they say you get baptised (in water) FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS this is 100% not biblical. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? In fact, doesnt it say that we most certainly shouldnt do that, and then call it of God? Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. Because you have pushed with side and shoulder , butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. The early church emphasised the objective teaching of the apostles over subjective feelings, and that teaching is contained in the whole of the New Testament, including pre and post Acts. Revealing Truth 49.6K subscribers Torben Sondergaard of the Last Reformation is a false teacher on many topics and has now been arrested for potential gun smuggling. At the meeting, Sndergaard says he was accused by FBI agents of smuggling weapons into the U.S. from Mexico, a claim hewholeheartedly denies, and placed in handcuffs. Torben makes friends for himself and not for the Living Resurrected Lord of all. As to his methods of making YouTube videos and posting them, why shouldnt he. To your credit, you were honest and admitted as such. Praise God that He has given Torben this gift! The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. Jesus healed in the synagogue too. When a person HONORS and SURRENDERS to the Holy Spirit AS GOD, then the Holy Spirit MANIFESTS HIMSELFHIS GOODNESS, LOVE, PEACE, JOY etc. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. truly revolutionary but also very simple about getting back "Emotionally, this has been one of the hardest things I've ever experienced in my life, and it has been very humbling, and I have learned endurance like never before, and that it is important not to live by our feelings and emotions but to walk by the Spirit," Torben wrote in a recent Facebook post. Other christians have told me I cant discern what is true and what is wrong, and that what I received that wonderful day of salvation is not of God. He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. in Denmark who fully represents the gospel as it should be Jesus also REVEALS TRUE FAITH in His Prayer to His Father for ALL of us. Where was the encouragement to `know Him more?`, I hope that as you read that misinformation that you will realise that it is not pointing us to our precious Lord, but just a confusing amount of `gobly gook.`. Literally what to do to get Jhn 17:19 NASB For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. I prevail upon all here not to fall into the ways of the world and engage in these ad hominem attacks. a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. Those who CANNOT GIVE UP CONTROL TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT MANIFEST THE FRUIT OR THE GIFTS. Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. Its high time we all get over the past fakes and Counterfiets we all have been burned by one way it another. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. As proof of the spiritual authenticity of Torbens healings, you rely upon multitudes of people supporting your position. He had a bout with fear as the guards told him he would spend a long time in prison and then be deported, the fate of virtually all the inmates at ICE's Baker County Facility in Florida. Yeshua needs no tricksters who appear to stretch out a leg to be a half inch longer. Always listen to the teaching and doctrine of the one doing the miracles first and second if you are able check out the fruit (lifestyle) of the one doing miracles. No, If Bill Johnston belongs to the Lord as I know that he does (I have been praying for him interceding for him I know that God has a plan for him in the USA) and you say that he doesnt and worse you say that he is a false prophet, a false teacher and a false evangelist (if thats what youre saying) when his heart is actually set on the Lord and to the best of his current knowledge he is serving the Lord if you say that when in reality he has been born of God, knows that Jesus is God and is his Lord then I believe this following scripture applies to you (and to anyone else who agrees with you), But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. Rom 14:23 KJV And he that DOUBTETH is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. That is why God allows us to repent, even as believers. To me when I was less aware of how He is working through my brothers and sisters was when I put Him in a box more, thinking that He used everyone pretty much the same. Torben in that instance yes, because their baptism was a baptism unto repentance, now they had to be baptised by the Holy Spirit into believing in Christ Jesus. Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. After watching the second video, I can see the value of praying with people after talking to them about Jesus. 1Co 10:1-4 Israelites passing through the see(Baptized unto Moses). I did nothing of myself ! to New Testament Christianity. I am so excited to watch this, to see how Torbin is excited ,not about himself but about what God is doing. May we look beyond the instrument and method that Almighty God will choose to use at His discretion and give Him the glory and recognition for His involvement in our individual lives..? Wow Paul, how dare you suggest that water baptism is not a central part of the Gospel of God? 4) I can do ALL things IN (while I am abiding in HIS Presence) Christ Jesus No one has answered that question. What I will do differently than what I saw in the first video is to not make a big deal about what happened if God heals them. Family that arrived later on had a hard time locating him because the hospital administration had no record of him being there. (John said no one can have anything unless God gives it to him Jn3:27), Isaiah Saldivar is doing the same thing today>, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAwakening209. Share on email. If on the other hand a man (like Torbin) comes doing miracles in Jesus name preached the message of the cross of Christ , calls for repentance and faith alone in Christ Jesus and whose godly lifestyle can be verified by those in the community who have know him personally THAT MAN IS SENT BY GOD! It is the anointing that he wants to transfer onto people. The Holy Spirit jumped for joy within me. I am very wary of Him, indeed. My point is that I think it disappointing when someone wants to genuinely and biblically, test the spirits, and they are met with personal attacks rather than answering the genuine questions that are being raised. I dont see anyone in Wierdsville multiplying wine, walking on water, etc etc ( and whatever other miracles Lightning mentioned ) . 2) to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. Im pretty sure there isnt any FEAR in the DIVINE Holy Spirit. And hopefully nobody will misunderstand and think you are accusing these young men of wrongdoing. Bob Jones is the guy who told Todd Bentley about Emma the angel. QUIT TRYING TO PUT HIM IN A BOX OF YOUR OWN MAKING. Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. The truth about Torben Sondergaard and the Last Reformation. Where do you get your identity? We know from scripture what God thinks of hybrids/mixtures, so we are not to touch the unclean thing but come out of there. Praise the Lord! My email is jmesfjarjou@yahoo.com in case you dont want yours to be public you can send me directly if that is ok with you. Soendergaard was booked into the Orange County Jail system in or around Orlando, FL. opposite ditch of Legalism and cynicism of anything supernatural. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Synonym Discussion of WEIRD common, ordinary, plain, usual, Related Words Torben is doing what is commanded in New testimant Christianity. 4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love]. He was confirmed in the state church after being immersed as a child, but actually completely out of habit. It is very glorifying to God to see His manifold wisdom displayed in manifold ways through His many people. His legal team also told us that if the original charge against him was overstaying his Visa, it would be irregular for him to be arrested by FBI agents from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and not Immigration agents. He said the hardest part is being separated from his wife and children. Why shouldnt the Truth be out there as well? He regards the distressing circumstances of the poor widows. Upon his arrival in the U.S. in 2019, Sndergaard immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. I know that I was once lost, repented, baptized and filled with His Spirit and, like Torden and his friend on the video said, we not only hear the Word, but we see the evidence of the Word. Deliverance and healing all at once on a whole congregation of people? Heres what the Pharisees and Scribes thought of Jesus ministry: Matthew 12:24 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 By its fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. Sndergaard also read scripture as part of his defense to show how he was following Christ's commands, making the Bible part of the case record. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. Thanks, Andrew keep posting the solutions. Andrew, you and your followers are in huge trouble. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda [35][36]. I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. Wow.Amen Marie! Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. After all, Paul was not sinless like Jesus. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Torben says he is doing what God told him to do, you prove to us that he is not ! That HE speaks the truth in our hearts/spirit by the Spirit of truth? Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. So it really upsets me to hear all the accusations people are And yes the first video was full of evidence that we are dealing with a genuine and anointed man of God. I believe they would prefer to keep the status quo going, so that they do not feel compelled to go out in the highways and biways themselves. You need to get saved from your unbelief and your incredulity! Matthew 7: It has scripture and some Biblical things, but it also has a lot of mixture which includes new age positive thinking and pyschosomatic techniques. We should not think more highly of ourselves than we ought. ALL flesh is susceptible, ALL flesh. I think he purposely included those leg lengthening healings to scandalize and expose the hearts of the skeptics. 23:25). I think a quiet and humble response like this would be most appropriate: Sir (or Maam), what happened has nothing to do with me. ha ha ha The old COIN TRICK! I love HIM even more. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. I think for me the times when I am like the disciples who were arguing I personally have been most apt to get into debate about this issue is when I am not in the game as much as I would like to be . It confuses me right now, but hopefully it will clear up later, when I read more. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. Absolutely not! If he performs miracles and preaches a false gospel of self effort religion, harsh treatment of the body , self imposed religiosity and legalism INSTEAD OF THE FAITH IN THE CROSS PLUS NOTHING THAT MAN IS A WOLF! This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . He never flattered people in power, such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, enticing them to join His group and help Him If He had compromised with the Pharisees, He could probably have obtained worldly influence easily. Yes! Watch this video about the people of God revealing the glory of God and you too will do the works of Jesus: http://youtu.be/03hWzOCzZ9k. (kings of the east?) So true about trying to put each other into boxes or us having to do such & such etc. As the Bible says, we are to not only test the spirits, but we are to examine ourselves (2 Cor. In the early 80s, I suffered from a ruptured/prolapsed/slipped disc in my lower back. Quail falling from the sky I have heard the context of that statement explained by Bill Johnson in one of his sermons, He clearly stated in that sermon that Jesus is God and then he said that Jesus didnt perform His miracles as God but as Man, He explained that he was making the point and he was very clear on this in his sermon that we as born again believers can do empowered by the Holy Spirit the same miracles which Jesus completed while He was on earth as Jesus wasnt using His Divinity to perform those miracles but was performed them as a surrendered Man to the will of God, i.e. Just because someone says they are doing something in the name of Jesus does not make it so. He told us that He is our ONLY Teacher Matthew 23:8-10; and the 5 fold ministry He has gifted to His Body, is Him, so let us seek His understanding to find out who are those of Him and those who are false 5 fold ministers.. (Hebrews 9:22). The unveiling is the culmination of all truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose & that is to reveal Christ to us in all His glory. The Lord has put His Teachings (laws) in our hearts where we do not have to ask others but will know inherently His Will Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33-34. Yeshua is not returning for Christians He is only returning for His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him. My kids and I actually went out and did it too. (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. It is Christ that God would have us focus on & not trying to prove that it is all history. The KINDness of God with that authenticity of seed in the fruit and not fruit alone. Jhn 14:16. Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the We are gentiles and we believe solely by faith and we do not need to be baptized in water. This reminds me of something I heard a Man of God preach about. Thank God for this man from Scandinavia who was prepared to get out the boat and walk on water! We begged my unbelieving husband to let us pray for him. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, When a man asked Kohn Wesley what his secret was he said to the man, I suggest that you let God light you on fire and people will come and watch you burn!, My email: hope this is safe- what the heck safe sucks! We need Bible-based Spirit-filled believers who know how to lead in love and truth, not arrogantly or obsessively and not teaching junk food. In all the videos, I dont see evidence in those being healed of being brought to repentance and an acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord. I arose to go to him but found my body was trembling so violently that I had great difficulty in walking across the room, and especially in controlling the trembling of my hands and arms. They all responded that truly God has come to Israel.. What I am understanding is that the right hand needs to forget what the left hand is doing, otherwise its a slippery slide away from simplicity down into spiritual harlotry, and turning the simple, holy things and gifts of God into a circus. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Minister Starker. 2 Thess. We are not pulling down anyone. uncanny implies disquieting strangeness or mysteriousness . It is the Lol As we can see, being baptised by the Holy Spirit in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ doesnt involve any laying on of hands, just BELIEVING. 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