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When you do see them, they won't make up 100% of the team composition and they won't even make up 100% of the UK composition since there is a chance for there to be Charioteers and Cent Mk 1s to be thrown into the mix. I never said the hull was bad on the t series i have stated that as long as you don't hit the tracks you pen and the other thread we are in has showed that. You cant carry against so many players. Or if the hull is exposed, anywhere of the hull. I wouldn't mind more open maps, though I must admit I still prefer hard cover to range. This pretty much says it all, and it describesa fundamental problem with ground RB: the fastesttanks with decent firepowerare the only vehicles in WT that can set up ambushes early game (which helps setting up ambushes mid and late game as well); slower TDs and tanks can't fulfill this role in WT even if they were designed specifically for this purpose and fulfilled it very successfully irl; the brawling maps which drastically cut down the range of engagementscombined with the "early game race" effectively prevents this. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. People like to complain about the cause being UK 6.7, but tanks like the Panther II have almost double the games than any of the UK tanks. Aside from the pre-nerf Horton flying wing, Germany really hasn't had a plane that could both match allied CAS's ability to make multiple strikes against hard targets and simultaneously hold its own in securing the airspace. Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. When I review the player profiles of those in the matches I am in, I commonly find such single nation players are the ones who struggle the most. Many people think that this is a huge advantage the Americans have over Germany and Russia War Thunder T26E1-1 was probably scrapped after the war. Germany has a p-47 just like the allies? The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc. Germany has access to the P-47 the same way the US has access to the 109 and 190. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. Up until only pz 2 is miserable a bit compare to m3 or bt7 etc. Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. Its a fine argument, it fits into the"why would I drive over there to shoot them from 10 feet awaywhen I can sit here 1000+ meters away and kill them?" Depends on the BR really. His vocals stand in contrast with the somewhat polished production. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. Also, you're very wrong about Tiger syndrome. You don't want that then that is fine, noted. There's only one brit 6.7 with atgms, but theres like 5 total with stabs and apds, Also no, the long 88 does not go through T__ tanks with ease, you have to shoot for weakspots which is quite difficultif the enemy is moving or at long range. One last thing I forgot is american tanks have .50s, so good luck aiming for weak spots when your enemy is blinding you and taking out your barrel literally as soon as he spots you. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Great War to today. Mobility: The complaint: One of the most common complaints that is leveled against the nation of Germany is a perceived lack of mobility. By and large, Germanys main strength is firepower with armor being the secondary asset. Meanwhile, a king tiger hull down has 185mm frontally(with no trolly double layered spots or crazy angles), 100mm on the sides and 80mm on the rear, and it's ammo is stored in the turret for an easy 1 shot. When I played my 6.0s, uptiers to 6.3 and 6.7 were common but things worked out well. And no matter what is the br setting whatever times you get a new vehicle even at 8.7 you have to start the whole thing again. another thing that hurts germany 5.3-6.7 to much its the fact that GAIJIN thinks that low armor = low br, thx to this we have tank like m41 / pt76 / m50 / t92 / ru-251 etc., tanks that can deal w/o problem other tanks like t54 but in game they are figthing vs tiger 1. Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. Contrary to popular belief there is more then one way to exploit this knowledge. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Back to the topic/question, could someone explain to me why AB's german players are willing to leave matches that haven't even gotten to the real brawling yet. Every time I play 5.7, I see a lot of Tiger I. I wrote Panther II and T-44-100, which are the medium tanks of BR 6.7-7.0, actual competitors to the Cent 3. Noone does the same with panthers. Nope you leave them to their own meansor use them as bait if you want to be a jerk about it. Same procedure as with Panthers. It is however annoying still though. The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. While the M18 can potentially be used for flanking regardless of tier--this is true of any vehicle--it is also a vehicle that can be wiped out even by lowly 1.0s. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be at that point. According to the complaint, Germany suffers terribly under the weight of uptiers. That being said I wanted to ask them to get answers, because for me it is important. In that experience, I have found that German vehicles mobility is adequate and generally competitive with these peers--despite all of the derisive talk you hear otherwise. If you haven't noticed I'm implying being one/two steps ahead. On the other hand, allied planes get the bomb loads because their cannons/mgs are less effective against German meds and heavies. 2. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. And 5.7 tanks can pen American tanks. It's just that the slow/tall/heavy tanks are usually on the bad end with the current level design. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. But there almost no such maps in the game. Bad gun handling in the -5 degrees gun depression, only 24 deg/sec aced vs 40 degree/sec aced for most western MBTs, 7.1s reload, slower than 120mm which is 6.36 or 6 seconds. For anyone who has ever played War Thunder and certainly for those who have perused the forums, the line Germany suffers! is probably something youve heard before. Well that's it I guess. According to the complaint, the mobility differential between the Germans tanks and the others tanks means that the Germans simply cannot compete in RB GFs. Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. It works wonders unless you have to make a regressive retreat. He travelled over doctor oz supplement ed Greece and Arabia, and wrote a history of the doctor for gods, in which . The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. Seems many new players fell to this trap. Unfornatly the 105mm Tiger II was phased out. Jagdtiger? Stop placing artificial nerfs on German vehicles and weapons; Mk 103s should have the same accuracy as allied autocannons, Panther APCR should have the historical ~260mm of pen instead of the laughable 228mm of pen in-game, and so on. Denying that problem only makes it worse. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. The first two points can be resolved by reforming the German tree to not have the jumps that it has and by requiring players to unlock more vehicles to progress to such higher BRs (as other nations have). I'll have to talk about CAS soon I suppose. The T-80B has ok mobility for it's BR (~25HP/T vs ~27+ for other tanks), but still has terrible reverse of -10kph wheras other tanks can go -30kph or more in reverse. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. The Tiger I is hard to play and inferior to the Panther! Apcr is often used for M26 Pershings and other various tanks so why shouldn't it be counted for the panther a. AMX-13 GETS UPTIERED 6.7? That is impossible, you need somewhat of a team. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. Tried to flank with the Tortoise? Removing the Panther II made sense if the game was aiming for historical accuracy. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. Bouncing for when we are talking about the gun of Hellcat (especially the 90mm), Marder and Archer. I agree that between 8.7 and 9.7 Soviets have overall bad mobility, but i strongly disagree that T80B, T80U and BMP3 have bad mobility. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. I will never understand whats inside Gaijin dev team, but they should add a German Mig 29, instead of waiting until russia gets a better plane first, as always. Still more enjoyable than japanese start off. And im asking how your angling it. German early jets are outperformed by pretty much by everything at their br. Threads 63 Messages 220. . I invite others to list other claims of alleged German suffering so that those can be talked about. No, it really isn't. At 6.7 the US T series are much more survivable when it comes to being hit. I'd recommend not making part of the argument then to begin with, The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming, Germany has a p-47 just like the allies? In the early days I would have now I just think its better to grab a turtle and snipe, small and fast is for fun whenyou want to explore or get bored. Not sure why, maybe it's a new bug or there's a spall shield I'm unaware of, but it's really annoying. interactions? In which I have to say no, it's not ONLY the Germans that have bad reverse speeds. There are major gaps in all the TTs that need to be addressed. Probably you should just Okha the last bomb into the target, cause rearming takes too long anyways. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? It is almost exactly the same as the normal Tiger II, about the same play time yet it has a 47% WR compared to 43%. If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. Weaponry, The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. Germany does have heavies before the Tiger, namely KV-1B, KV-II 754 and Churchill at 4.0 and KV-1C at 4.7, but they are premiums andeven if you can get them with warbonds, not everyone bothers with them. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. Download Free PDF View PDF. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. Powered by Invision Community. You don't need to win the match in the first 5 minutes of the game, late games are a thing. Which also has bombs as well. Add the EBR 1954 Version in the Tech tree, add the French Tiger 1 'Bretagne', add the French stabilised gun variant of the AMX-10RC and AMX-30 in the main tech tree . Eh, you can get the same effect with having a slow vehicle suddenly appear where no one expects it at a particular time, it also brings a more shock and awe effect as its victims try to fathem what they are looking at and how it gotthere, thegood times to be had Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. Nah, Freeaboos bash on Germany when its day in Murica and Wheraboos say Deutschland suffers when its day in Yurop (although the Wheraboos are mostly on the Forums and not on Reddit so you don't see Wheraboo posts often) . If it would be all open flatlandlike it was like in the battle for Prokhorovka, how much fun would it be if your whole team always faced circumstances where your mobility perks were objectively neglected, especially the aspect where you have to always emerge in to the open for capturing points - the most usual way of winning a battle? Powered by Invision Community. He just needs to find the right way to flank you. Isn't it also true that many of the people who play the soviet tree only play the soviet tree? 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. 5. Two world wars and two pandemics are just a few of the many historic events witnessed by Sister Andre during her 118 years. I am a guy who plays all nation with Germany being my single most played nation. - Panther armour is easier to use and still ok. No need to angle, just point the front towards the enemy. Yes but this is should be fixed for once and for all. It requires however quite some skill to shoot targets in RB from a far and you still lose if noone caps. Pointing it down doesn't do anything as I've found. #15. And as a you tube person showed in his video and based on the evidence presented its quite obviousEast Germany will carry Germanyand save top tier balance. Nope but you will have your own luxuries instead, the fact that you knew what he was trying to pull off and decided toplan his demise in advanceand he won't have aclue until its too late. Ammo rack closest in the hull so you'd just one bang it. (small note, i forgot the T__ has cast armor, it's frontal protection is actually 190mm at it's weakest. Just an observation maybe its just me. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. I'm talking about the teams steamsad Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. This is of course a burden if you're in a CQC situation where the APDS will easily pen your frontal armor. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. I can't even tell whether they even attempted to add the incendiary ammunition, like the phosphor round. The complaint is one thats pretty common for all nations--uptiers. As for the Panthers' turret traverse, except for the D variant, all are quite well suited for engagement at medium to long ranges. This puts Germany in a lose/lose position when choosing their plane to call in. history projects. #warthunder #warthundermemes #warthunderfunny #warthunderclipsTwitch: Twitch.t. In 6.7 matches who has ever played War Thunder official forum protection is actually 190mm at it 's that. 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